diff --git a/libs/panners/2in2out/panner_2in2out.cc b/libs/panners/2in2out/panner_2in2out.cc
index 2b14f6458c..c226d2f5a6 100644
--- a/libs/panners/2in2out/panner_2in2out.cc
+++ b/libs/panners/2in2out/panner_2in2out.cc
@@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ static PanPluginDescriptor _descriptor = {
         "http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_2in2out",
         "http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_2in2out#ui",
         2, 2,
-        10000,
+        5000,
         Panner2in2out::factory
 };
 
diff --git a/libs/panners/stereobalance/panner_balance.cc b/libs/panners/stereobalance/panner_balance.cc
index f7379f9d6d..1a8884e403 100644
--- a/libs/panners/stereobalance/panner_balance.cc
+++ b/libs/panners/stereobalance/panner_balance.cc
@@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ static PanPluginDescriptor _descriptor = {
 	"http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_balance",
 	"http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_balance#ui",
 	2, 2,
-	2000,
+	10000,
 	Pannerbalance::factory
 };