diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
index e5bcb4ed0a..26477f3cba 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
@@ -702,7 +702,7 @@ OSC::listen_to_route (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> strip, lo_address addr)
 
 	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(addr);
 	uint32_t ssid = get_sid (strip, addr);
-	OSCRouteObserver* o = new OSCRouteObserver (strip, addr, ssid, s->gainmode, s->feedback);
+	OSCRouteObserver* o = new OSCRouteObserver (strip, addr, ssid, s);
 	route_observers.push_back (o);
 
 	strip->DropReferences.connect (*this, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSC::route_lost, this, boost::weak_ptr<Stripable> (strip)), this);
@@ -1231,8 +1231,8 @@ OSC::routes_list (lo_message msg)
 				lo_message_add_int32 (reply, s->rec_enable_control()->get_value());
 			}
 
-			//Automatically listen to routes listed
-			listen_to_route(r, get_address (msg));
+			//Automatically listen to stripables listed
+			listen_to_route(s, get_address (msg));
 
 			lo_send_message (get_address (msg), "#reply", reply);
 			lo_message_free (reply);
@@ -1583,7 +1583,7 @@ OSC::_set_bank (uint32_t bank_start, lo_address addr)
 		// top bank is always filled if there are enough strips for at least one bank
 		bank_start = (uint32_t)((s->nstrips - b_size) + 1);
 	}
-	//save bank in case we have had to change it
+	//save bank after bank limit checks
 	s->bank = bank_start;
 
 	if (s->feedback[0] || s->feedback[1]) {
@@ -1601,8 +1601,7 @@ OSC::_set_bank (uint32_t bank_start, lo_address addr)
 		}
 	}
 	// light bankup or bankdown buttons if it is possible to bank in that direction
-	if (s->feedback[4]) {
-		// these two messages could be bundled
+	if (s->feedback[4] && !s->no_clear) {
 		lo_message reply;
 		reply = lo_message_new ();
 		if ((s->bank > (s->nstrips - s->bank_size)) || (s->nstrips < s->bank_size)) {
@@ -1924,7 +1923,8 @@ OSC::route_get_sends(lo_message msg) {
 			lo_message_add_int32(reply, p->active() ? 1 : 0);
 		}
 	}
-	// if used dedicated message path to identify this reply in async operation. Naming it #reply wont help the client to identify the content.
+	// if used dedicated message path to identify this reply in async operation.
+	// Naming it #reply wont help the client to identify the content.
 	lo_send_message(get_address (msg), "/strip/sends", reply);
 
 	lo_message_free(reply);
@@ -1986,7 +1986,8 @@ OSC::route_get_receives(lo_message msg) {
 		}
 	}
 
-	// I have used a dedicated message path to identify this reply in async operation. Naming it #reply wont help the client to identify the content.
+	// I have used a dedicated message path to identify this reply in async operation.
+	// Naming it #reply wont help the client to identify the content.
 	lo_send_message(get_address (msg), "/strip/receives", reply);
 	lo_message_free(reply);
 	return 0;
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
index e22444e4c5..dc7677c331 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
@@ -35,13 +35,14 @@ using namespace PBD;
 using namespace ARDOUR;
 using namespace ArdourSurface;
 
-OSCRouteObserver::OSCRouteObserver (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address a, uint32_t ss, uint32_t gm, std::bitset<32> fb)
+OSCRouteObserver::OSCRouteObserver (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address a, uint32_t ss, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su)
 	: _strip (s)
 	,ssid (ss)
-	,gainmode (gm)
-	,feedback (fb)
+	,sur (su)
 {
 	addr = lo_address_new (lo_address_get_hostname(a) , lo_address_get_port(a));
+	gainmode = sur->gainmode;
+	feedback = sur->feedback;
 
 	if (feedback[0]) { // buttons are separate feedback
 		_strip->PropertyChanged.connect (strip_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCRouteObserver::name_changed, this, boost::lambda::_1), OSC::instance());
@@ -101,6 +102,12 @@ OSCRouteObserver::~OSCRouteObserver ()
 {
 
 	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
+	if (sur->no_clear) {
+		// some surfaces destroy their own strips and don't need the extra noise
+		lo_address_free (addr);
+		return;
+	}
+
 	// all strip buttons should be off and faders 0 and etc.
 	clear_strip ("/strip/expand", 0);
 	if (feedback[0]) { // buttons are separate feedback
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
index 321dc7ce21..ef9bfb7ba2 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
@@ -30,11 +30,13 @@
 #include "pbd/stateful.h"
 #include "ardour/types.h"
 
+#include "osc.h"
+
 class OSCRouteObserver
 {
 
   public:
-	OSCRouteObserver (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>, lo_address addr, uint32_t sid, uint32_t gainmode, std::bitset<32> feedback);
+	OSCRouteObserver (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>, lo_address addr, uint32_t sid, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* sur);
 	~OSCRouteObserver ();
 
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> strip () const { return _strip; }
@@ -52,6 +54,7 @@ class OSCRouteObserver
 	uint32_t ssid;
 	uint32_t gainmode;
 	std::bitset<32> feedback;
+	ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* sur;
 	float _last_meter;
 	uint32_t gain_timeout;
 	uint32_t trim_timeout;