diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/gain_meter.cc b/gtk2_ardour/gain_meter.cc
index 0e4feff541..52be42a871 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/gain_meter.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/gain_meter.cc
@@ -380,6 +380,13 @@ GainMeterBase::setup_meters (int len)
 		meter_channels = route()->shared_peak_meter()->input_streams().n_total();
 	}
 
+	if (len == 0) {
+		assert (gain_slider);
+		Gtk::Requisition sz;
+		sz = gain_slider->size_request ();
+		len = gain_slider->orientation () == FaderWidget::VERT ? sz.height : sz.width;
+	}
+
 	switch (_width) {
 		case Wide:
 			//meter_ticks1_area.show();
diff --git a/libs/widgets/widgets/fader_widget.h b/libs/widgets/widgets/fader_widget.h
index 46b9022a59..baff3d9cbb 100644
--- a/libs/widgets/widgets/fader_widget.h
+++ b/libs/widgets/widgets/fader_widget.h
@@ -52,6 +52,8 @@ public:
 	void set_tweaks (Tweaks);
 	Tweaks tweaks() const { return _tweaks; }
 
+	int orientation () const { return _orien; }
+
 	virtual void set_bg (Gtkmm2ext::Color) = 0;
 	virtual void set_fg (Gtkmm2ext::Color) = 0;
 	virtual void unset_bg () = 0;