diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/editor_routes.cc b/gtk2_ardour/editor_routes.cc
index fd5e68f3ef..d0ff0dfbfe 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/editor_routes.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/editor_routes.cc
@@ -1094,11 +1094,12 @@ EditorRoutes::sync_treeview_from_presentation_info ()
 	}
 
 	OrderingKeys sorted;
+	const size_t cmp_max = rows.size ();
 
 	for (TreeModel::Children::iterator ri = rows.begin(); ri != rows.end(); ++ri, ++old_order) {
 		boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> stripable = (*ri)[_columns.stripable];
 		/* use global order */
-		sorted.push_back (OrderKeys (old_order, stripable->presentation_info().order()));
+		sorted.push_back (OrderKeys (old_order, stripable, cmp_max));
 	}
 
 	SortByNewDisplayOrder cmp;
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/mixer_ui.cc b/gtk2_ardour/mixer_ui.cc
index 857af7fc14..02daf63f1d 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/mixer_ui.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/mixer_ui.cc
@@ -784,10 +784,11 @@ Mixer_UI::sync_treeview_from_presentation_info ()
 	}
 
 	OrderingKeys sorted;
+	const size_t cmp_max = rows.size ();
 
 	for (TreeModel::Children::iterator ri = rows.begin(); ri != rows.end(); ++ri, ++old_order) {
 		boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> stripable = (*ri)[stripable_columns.stripable];
-		sorted.push_back (OrderKeys (old_order, stripable->presentation_info().order()));
+		sorted.push_back (OrderKeys (old_order, stripable, cmp_max));
 	}
 
 	SortByNewDisplayOrder cmp;
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/route_sorter.h b/gtk2_ardour/route_sorter.h
index e84788243c..bba7424dc1 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/route_sorter.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/route_sorter.h
@@ -29,17 +29,33 @@
 struct OrderKeys {
     uint32_t old_display_order;
     uint32_t new_display_order;
+    uint32_t compare_order;
 
-	OrderKeys (uint32_t ok, uint32_t nk)
+	OrderKeys (uint32_t ok, boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> s, uint32_t cmp_max)
 		: old_display_order (ok)
-		, new_display_order (nk) {}
+	{
+		new_display_order = s->presentation_info().order();
+		compare_order = new_display_order;
+
+		if (s->presentation_info().flags () & ARDOUR::PresentationInfo::VCA) {
+			compare_order += 2 * cmp_max;
+		}
+#ifdef MIXBUS
+		if (s->presentation_info().flags () & ARDOUR::PresentationInfo::Mixbus || s->mixbus()) {
+			compare_order += cmp_max;
+		}
+		if (s->presentation_info().flags () & ARDOUR::PresentationInfo::MasterOut) {
+			compare_order += 3 * cmp_max;
+		}
+#endif
+	}
 };
 
 typedef std::vector<OrderKeys> OrderingKeys;
 
 struct SortByNewDisplayOrder {
     bool operator() (const OrderKeys& a, const OrderKeys& b) {
-	    return a.new_display_order < b.new_display_order;
+	    return a.compare_order < b.compare_order;
     }
 };