diff --git a/libs/ardour/ardour/mute_control.h b/libs/ardour/ardour/mute_control.h
index 909f0cbf02..399b708d43 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/ardour/mute_control.h
+++ b/libs/ardour/ardour/mute_control.h
@@ -39,6 +39,7 @@ class LIBARDOUR_API MuteControl : public SlavableAutomationControl
 	MuteControl (Session& session, std::string const& name, Muteable&);
 
 	double get_value () const;
+	double get_save_value() const { return muted_by_self(); }
 
 	/* Export additional API so that objects that only get access
 	 * to a Controllable/AutomationControl can do more fine-grained
diff --git a/libs/ardour/ardour/solo_control.h b/libs/ardour/ardour/solo_control.h
index 3f0f522fc3..cc86983582 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/ardour/solo_control.h
+++ b/libs/ardour/ardour/solo_control.h
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@ class LIBARDOUR_API SoloControl : public SlavableAutomationControl
 	SoloControl (Session& session, std::string const & name, Soloable& soloable, Muteable& m);
 
 	double get_value () const;
+	double get_save_value() const { return self_soloed(); }
 
 	bool can_solo() const;