diff --git a/libs/ardour/panner_manager.cc b/libs/ardour/panner_manager.cc
index 17b4c50f85..1fd59a92bb 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/panner_manager.cc
+++ b/libs/ardour/panner_manager.cc
@@ -34,6 +34,7 @@
 
 #include "ardour/debug.h"
 #include "ardour/panner_manager.h"
+#include "ardour/profile.h"
 
 #include "ardour/search_paths.h"
 
@@ -190,7 +191,7 @@ PannerManager::select_panner (ChanCount in, ChanCount out, std::string const uri
 		PanPluginDescriptor const& d ((*p)->descriptor);
 
 		/* backward compat */
-		if (Stateful::loading_state_version < 6000 && d.panner_uri == "http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_2in2out") {
+		if (Stateful::loading_state_version < 6000 && d.panner_uri == "http://ardour.org/plugin/panner_2in2out" && !Profile->get_livetrax ()) {
 			if (d.in == nin && d.out == nout) {
 				priority = 9999;
 				rv = *p;
diff --git a/libs/ardour/panner_shell.cc b/libs/ardour/panner_shell.cc
index 8e7d8bb10c..df9953d80a 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/panner_shell.cc
+++ b/libs/ardour/panner_shell.cc
@@ -127,7 +127,7 @@ PannerShell::configure_io (ChanCount in, ChanCount out)
 		fatal << _("No panner found: check that panners are being discovered correctly during startup.") << endmsg;
 		abort(); /*NOTREACHED*/
 	}
-	if (Stateful::loading_state_version < 6000 && pi->descriptor.in == 2) {
+	if (Stateful::loading_state_version < 6000 && pi->descriptor.in == 2 && !Profile->get_livetrax ()) {
 		_user_selected_panner_uri = pi->descriptor.panner_uri;
 	}