diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
index 9cebb403df..71d4762d34 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.cc
@@ -115,7 +115,10 @@ OSC::OSC (Session& s, uint32_t port)
 
 OSC::~OSC()
 {
+	tick = false;
+	std::cout << "OSC term before stop\n";
 	stop ();
+	std::cout << "OSC term after stop\n";
 	tear_down_gui ();
 	_instance = 0;
 }
@@ -298,6 +301,18 @@ OSC::stop ()
 {
 	/* stop main loop */
 
+	// clear surfaces
+	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
+		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
+		surface_destroy (sur);
+	}
+	_surface.clear();
+	std::cout << "sur cleared.\n";
+
+	periodic_connection.disconnect ();
+	session_connections.drop_connections ();
+	cueobserver_connections.drop_connections ();
+
 	if (local_server) {
 		g_source_destroy (local_server);
 		g_source_unref (local_server);
@@ -330,60 +345,36 @@ OSC::stop ()
 		::g_unlink (_osc_url_file.c_str() );
 	}
 
-	periodic_connection.disconnect ();
-	session_connections.drop_connections ();
-	cueobserver_connections.drop_connections ();
-	Glib::Threads::Mutex::Lock lm (surfaces_lock);
-	// Delete any active route observers
-	for (RouteObservers::iterator x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* rc;
-
-		if ((rc = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = route_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-// Should maybe do global_observers too
-	for (GlobalObservers::iterator x = global_observers.begin(); x != global_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCGlobalObserver* gc;
-
-		if ((gc = dynamic_cast<OSCGlobalObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = global_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-
-// delete select observers
-	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
-		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
-		OSCSelectObserver* so;
-		if ((so = dynamic_cast<OSCSelectObserver*>(sur->sel_obs)) != 0) {
-			delete so;
-		}
-	}
-
-// delete cue observers
-	for (CueObservers::iterator x = cue_observers.begin(); x != cue_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCCueObserver* co;
-
-		if ((co = dynamic_cast<OSCCueObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = cue_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-
 	return 0;
 }
 
+void
+OSC::surface_destroy (OSCSurface* sur)
+{
+	if (sur->sel_obs) {
+		sur->sel_obs->clear_observer ();
+		delete sur->sel_obs;
+		sur->sel_obs = 0;
+	}
+	if (sur->cue_obs) {
+		// sur->cue_obs->clear_observer ();
+		delete sur->cue_obs;
+		sur->cue_obs = 0;
+	}
+	if (sur->global_obs) {
+		sur->global_obs->clear_observer ();
+		delete sur->global_obs;
+		sur->global_obs = 0;
+	}
+	for (uint32_t i = 0; i < sur->observers.size(); i++) {
+		sur->observers[i]->clear_strip ();
+		delete sur->observers[i];
+	}
+
+	sur->observers.clear();
+}
+
+
 void
 OSC::register_callbacks()
 {
@@ -640,7 +631,7 @@ OSC::register_callbacks()
 
 		/* this is a special catchall handler,
 		 * register at the end so this is only called if no
-		 * other handler matches (used for debug) */
+		 * other handler matches (also used for debug) */
 		lo_server_add_method (serv, 0, 0, _catchall, this);
 	}
 }
@@ -695,99 +686,6 @@ OSC::gui_changed ()
 	session->set_dirty();
 }
 
-void
-OSC::listen_to_route (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> strip, lo_address addr)
-{
-	if (!strip) {
-		return;
-	}
-	/* avoid duplicate listens */
-
-	for (RouteObservers::iterator x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end(); ++x) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* ro;
-
-		if ((ro = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-
-			int res = strcmp(lo_address_get_url(ro->address()), lo_address_get_url(addr));
-
-			if (ro->strip() == strip && res == 0) {
-				return;
-			}
-		}
-	}
-
-	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(addr);
-	uint32_t ssid = get_sid (strip, addr);
-	OSCRouteObserver* o = new OSCRouteObserver (*this, ssid, s);
-	route_observers.push_back (o);
-
-	strip->DropReferences.connect (*this, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSC::route_lost, this, boost::weak_ptr<Stripable> (strip)), this);
-}
-
-void
-OSC::route_lost (boost::weak_ptr<Stripable> wr)
-{
-	tick = false;
-	drop_route (wr);
-	bank_dirty = true;
-}
-
-void
-OSC::drop_route (boost::weak_ptr<Stripable> wr)
-{
-	boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> r = wr.lock ();
-
-	if (!r) {
-		return;
-	}
-
-	for (RouteObservers::iterator x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* rc;
-
-		if ((rc = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-
-			if (rc->strip() == r) {
-				delete *x;
-				x = route_observers.erase (x);
-			} else {
-				++x;
-			}
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-}
-
-void
-OSC::end_listen (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> r, lo_address addr)
-{
-	RouteObservers::iterator x;
-
-	// Remove the route observers
-	for (x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* ro;
-
-		if ((ro = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-
-			int res = strcmp(lo_address_get_url(ro->address()), lo_address_get_url(addr));
-
-			if (ro->strip() == r && res == 0) {
-				delete *x;
-				x = route_observers.erase (x);
-			}
-			else {
-				++x;
-			}
-		}
-		else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-}
-
 void
 OSC::current_value_query (const char* path, size_t len, lo_arg **argv, int argc, lo_message msg)
 {
@@ -914,7 +812,7 @@ OSC::catchall (const char *path, const char* types, lo_arg **argv, int argc, lo_
 
 		ret = 0;
 	} else
-	if (strcmp (path, "/strip/listen") == 0) {
+/*	if (strcmp (path, "/strip/listen") == 0) {
 		check_surface (msg);
 
 		cerr << "set up listener\n";
@@ -963,7 +861,7 @@ OSC::catchall (const char *path, const char* types, lo_arg **argv, int argc, lo_
 		}
 
 		ret = 0;
-	} else
+	} else */
 	if (strstr (path, "/strip") && (argc != 1)) {
 		// All of the strip commands below require 1 parameter
 		PBD::warning << "OSC: Wrong number of parameters." << endmsg;
@@ -1297,8 +1195,11 @@ OSC::routes_list (lo_message msg)
 				lo_message_add_int32 (reply, s->rec_enable_control()->get_value());
 			}
 
-			//Automatically listen to stripables listed
+			/*
+			 * get_surface above already does this if feedback is turned on
+			 * //Automatically listen to stripables listed
 			listen_to_route(s, get_address (msg));
+			*/
 
 			if (sur->feedback[14]) {
 				lo_send_message (get_address (msg), "/reply", reply);
@@ -1355,6 +1256,7 @@ int
 OSC::refresh_surface (lo_message msg)
 {
 	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(get_address (msg));
+	surface_destroy (s);
 	// restart all observers
 	set_surface (s->bank_size, (uint32_t) s->strip_types.to_ulong(), (uint32_t) s->feedback.to_ulong(), \
 		(uint32_t) s->gainmode, (uint32_t) s->send_page_size, (uint32_t) s->plug_page_size, msg);
@@ -1365,52 +1267,12 @@ void
 OSC::clear_devices ()
 {
 	tick = false;
-	Glib::Threads::Mutex::Lock lm (surfaces_lock);
-	for (RouteObservers::iterator x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* rc;
-
-		if ((rc = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = route_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-		// slow devices need time to clear buffers
-		usleep ((uint32_t) 10);
-	}
-	// Should maybe do global_observers too
-	for (GlobalObservers::iterator x = global_observers.begin(); x != global_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCGlobalObserver* gc;
-
-		if ((gc = dynamic_cast<OSCGlobalObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = global_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
-	// delete select observers
-	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
-		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
-		OSCSelectObserver* so;
-		if ((so = dynamic_cast<OSCSelectObserver*>(sur->sel_obs)) != 0) {
-			delete so;
-		}
-	}
-	// delete cue observers
-	for (CueObservers::iterator x = cue_observers.begin(); x != cue_observers.end();) {
-		OSCCueObserver* co;
-		if ((co = dynamic_cast<OSCCueObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			delete *x;
-			x = cue_observers.erase (x);
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
 
 	// clear out surfaces
+	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
+		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
+		surface_destroy (sur);
+	}
 	_surface.clear();
 	tick = true;
 }
@@ -1606,9 +1468,9 @@ OSC::set_surface (uint32_t b_size, uint32_t strips, uint32_t fb, uint32_t gm, ui
 	s->send_page_size = se_size;
 	s->plug_page_size = pi_size;
 	// set bank and strip feedback
-	set_bank(s->bank, msg);
+	strip_feedback(s);
 
-	global_feedback (*s, get_address (msg));
+	global_feedback (s, get_address (msg));
 	sel_send_pagesize (se_size, msg);
 	sel_plug_pagesize (pi_size, msg);
 	return 0;
@@ -1619,9 +1481,10 @@ OSC::set_surface_bank_size (uint32_t bs, lo_message msg)
 {
 	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(get_address (msg));
 	s->bank_size = bs;
+	s->bank = 1;
 
 	// set bank and strip feedback
-	set_bank(s->bank, msg);
+	strip_feedback (s);
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -1637,7 +1500,8 @@ OSC::set_surface_strip_types (uint32_t st, lo_message msg)
 	}
 
 	// set bank and strip feedback
-	set_bank(s->bank, msg);
+	s->bank = 1;
+	strip_feedback (s);
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -1648,11 +1512,11 @@ OSC::set_surface_feedback (uint32_t fb, lo_message msg)
 	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(get_address (msg));
 	s->feedback = fb;
 
-	// set bank and strip feedback
-	set_bank(s->bank, msg);
+	// set strip feedback
+	strip_feedback (s);
 
 	// Set global/master feedback
-	global_feedback (*s, get_address (msg));
+	global_feedback (s, get_address (msg));
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -1662,11 +1526,11 @@ OSC::set_surface_gainmode (uint32_t gm, lo_message msg)
 	OSCSurface *s = get_surface(get_address (msg));
 	s->gainmode = gm;
 
-	// set bank and strip feedback
-	set_bank(s->bank, msg);
+	// set strip feedback
+	strip_feedback (s);
 
 	// Set global/master feedback
-	global_feedback (*s, get_address (msg));
+	global_feedback (s, get_address (msg));
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -1695,7 +1559,6 @@ OSC::get_surface (lo_address addr)
 	r_url = rurl;
 	free (rurl);
 	{
-		Glib::Threads::Mutex::Lock lm (surfaces_lock);
 		for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
 			//find setup for this server
 			if (!_surface[it].remote_url.find(r_url)){
@@ -1711,6 +1574,9 @@ OSC::get_surface (lo_address addr)
 	s.jogmode = JOG;
 	s.bank = 1;
 	s.bank_size = default_banksize;
+	s.observers.clear();
+	s.sel_obs = 0;
+	s.global_obs = 0;
 	s.strip_types = default_strip;
 	s.feedback = default_feedback;
 	s.gainmode = default_gainmode;
@@ -1720,6 +1586,7 @@ OSC::get_surface (lo_address addr)
 	s.expand_enable = false;
 	s.cue = false;
 	s.aux = 0;
+	s.cue_obs = 0;
 	s.strips = get_sorted_stripables(s.strip_types, s.cue);
 	s.send_page = 1;
 	s.send_page_size = default_send_size;
@@ -1729,53 +1596,68 @@ OSC::get_surface (lo_address addr)
 
 	s.nstrips = s.strips.size();
 	{
-		Glib::Threads::Mutex::Lock lm (surfaces_lock);
 		_surface.push_back (s);
 	}
+	std::cout << "surface saved, do gui_selection\n";
 	// moved this down here as selection may need s.<anything to do with select> set
 	if (!_select || (_select != ControlProtocol::first_selected_stripable())) {
 		gui_selection_changed();
 	}
+	std::cout << "after gui_selection, call strip_feedback\n";
 
 	// set bank and strip feedback
-	_set_bank(s.bank, addr);
+	strip_feedback (&s);
+	std::cout << "after strip_feedback, call global_feedback\n";
 
 	// Set global/master feedback
-	global_feedback (s, addr);
+	global_feedback (&s, addr);
+	usleep ((uint32_t) 20000);
+
+	std::cout << "after global_feedback\n";
 
 	return &_surface[_surface.size() - 1];
 }
 
 // setup global feedback for a surface
 void
-OSC::global_feedback (OSCSurface sur, lo_address addr)
+OSC::global_feedback (OSCSurface* sur, lo_address addr)
 {
-	// first destroy global observer for this surface
-	GlobalObservers::iterator x;
-	for (x = global_observers.begin(); x != global_observers.end();) {
+	std::bitset<32> feedback = sur->feedback;
+	if (feedback[4] || feedback[3] || feedback[5] || feedback[6]) {
 
-		OSCGlobalObserver* go;
+		// create a new Global Observer for this surface
+		OSCGlobalObserver* o = new OSCGlobalObserver (*this, *session, sur);
+		sur->global_obs = o;
+	}
+}
 
-		if ((go = dynamic_cast<OSCGlobalObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
+void
+OSC::strip_feedback (OSCSurface* sur)
+{
+	std::cout << "strip_feedback, begin\n";
+	// delete old observers
+	for (uint32_t i = 0; i < sur->observers.size(); i++) {
+		sur->observers[i]->clear_strip ();
+		delete sur->observers[i];
+	}
+	sur->observers.clear();
+	std::cout << string_compose ("observers delected: size: %1\n", sur->observers.size());
 
-			int res = strcmp(lo_address_get_url(go->address()), lo_address_get_url(addr));
+	// get freash striplist - just in case
+	sur->strips = get_sorted_stripables(sur->strip_types, sur->cue);
+	sur->nstrips = sur->strips.size();
+	uint32_t bank_size = sur->bank_size;
+	if (!bank_size) {
+		bank_size = sur->nstrips;
+	}
 
-			if (res == 0) {
-				delete *x;
-				x = global_observers.erase (x);
-			} else {
-				++x;
-			}
-		} else {
-			++x;
+	if (sur->feedback[0] || sur->feedback[1]) {
+		for (uint32_t i = 0; i < bank_size; i++) {
+			OSCRouteObserver* o = new OSCRouteObserver (*this, i + 1, sur);
+			sur->observers.push_back (o);
 		}
 	}
-	std::bitset<32> feedback = sur.feedback;
-	if (feedback[4] || feedback[3] || feedback[5] || feedback[6]) {
-		// create a new Global Observer for this surface
-		OSCGlobalObserver* o = new OSCGlobalObserver (*session, &sur);
-		global_observers.push_back (o);
-	}
+	std::cout << string_compose ("observers created: size: %1\n", sur->observers.size());
 }
 
 void
@@ -1804,9 +1686,10 @@ OSC::_recalcbanks ()
 {
 	if (!_select || (_select != ControlProtocol::first_selected_stripable())) {
 		_select = ControlProtocol::first_selected_stripable();
+		gui_selection_changed ();
 	}
 
-	// do a set_bank for each surface we know about.
+	// refresh each surface we know about.
 	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); ++it) {
 		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
 		// find lo_address
@@ -1814,9 +1697,12 @@ OSC::_recalcbanks ()
 		if (sur->cue) {
 			_cue_set (sur->aux, addr);
 		} else {
-			_set_bank (sur->bank, addr);
+			for (uint32_t i = 0; i < sur->observers.size(); i++) {
+				sur->observers[i]->refresh_strip (false);
+			}
 		}
-		if (sur->no_clear) {
+
+		if (!sur->bank_size) {
 			// This surface uses /strip/list tell it routes have changed
 			lo_message reply;
 			reply = lo_message_new ();
@@ -1826,16 +1712,6 @@ OSC::_recalcbanks ()
 	}
 }
 
-/*
- * This gets called not only when bank changes but also:
- *  - bank size change
- *  - feedback change
- *  - strip types changes
- *  - fadermode changes
- *  - stripable creation/deletion/flag
- *  - to refresh what is "displayed"
- * Basically any time the bank needs to be rebuilt
- */
 int
 OSC::set_bank (uint32_t bank_start, lo_message msg)
 {
@@ -1861,19 +1737,6 @@ OSC::_set_bank (uint32_t bank_start, lo_address addr)
 	 s->expand_enable = false;
 	_strip_select (ControlProtocol::first_selected_stripable(), addr);
 
-	// undo all listeners for this url
-	StripableList stripables;
-	session->get_stripables (stripables);
-	for (StripableList::iterator it = stripables.begin(); it != stripables.end(); ++it) {
-
-		boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> stp = *it;
-		if (stp) {
-			end_listen (stp, addr);
-		}
-		// slow devices need time to clear buffers
-		usleep ((uint32_t) 10);
-	}
-
 	s->strips = get_sorted_stripables(s->strip_types, s->cue);
 	s->nstrips = s->strips.size();
 
@@ -1898,16 +1761,8 @@ OSC::_set_bank (uint32_t bank_start, lo_address addr)
 
 	if (s->feedback[0] || s->feedback[1]) {
 
-		for (uint32_t n = bank_start; n < (min ((b_size + bank_start), s->nstrips + 1)); ++n) {
-			if (n <= s->strips.size()) {
-				boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> stp = s->strips[n - 1];
-
-				if (stp) {
-					listen_to_route(stp, addr);
-				}
-			}
-			// slow devices need time to clear buffers
-			usleep ((uint32_t) 20);
+		for (uint32_t i = 0; i < s->observers.size(); i++) {
+			s->observers[i]->refresh_strip (false);
 		}
 	}
 	// light bankup or bankdown buttons if it is possible to bank in that direction
@@ -2917,7 +2772,7 @@ OSC::route_mute (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("mute", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/mute", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -2952,7 +2807,7 @@ OSC::route_solo (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("solo", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/solo", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -2969,7 +2824,7 @@ OSC::route_solo_iso (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("solo_iso", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/solo_iso", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -2986,7 +2841,7 @@ OSC::route_solo_safe (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("solo_safe", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/solo_safe", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3081,7 +2936,7 @@ OSC::route_recenable (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 			}
 		}
 	}
-	return route_send_fail ("recenable", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/recenable", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3134,7 +2989,7 @@ OSC::route_recsafe (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 			}
 		}
 	}
-	return route_send_fail ("record_safe", ssid, 0,get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/record_safe", ssid, 0,get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3154,7 +3009,7 @@ OSC::route_monitor_input (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("monitor_input", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/monitor_input", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3196,7 +3051,7 @@ OSC::route_monitor_disk (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("monitor_disk", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/monitor_disk", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3236,7 +3091,7 @@ OSC::strip_phase (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("polarity", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/polarity", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3287,7 +3142,8 @@ OSC::_strip_select (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address addr)
 	}
 	bool feedback_on = sur->feedback[13];
 	if (s && feedback_on) {
-		OSCSelectObserver* sel_fb = new OSCSelectObserver (s, addr, sur);
+		sur->select = s;
+		OSCSelectObserver* sel_fb = new OSCSelectObserver (*this, sur);
 		s->DropReferences.connect (*this, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSC::recalcbanks, this), this);
 		sur->sel_obs = sel_fb;
 	} else if (sur->expand_enable) {
@@ -3296,12 +3152,13 @@ OSC::_strip_select (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address addr)
 		sur->expand_enable = false;
 		if (_select && feedback_on) {
 			s = _select;
-			OSCSelectObserver* sel_fb = new OSCSelectObserver (s, addr, sur);
+			sur->select = s;
+			OSCSelectObserver* sel_fb = new OSCSelectObserver (*this, sur);
 			s->DropReferences.connect (*this, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSC::recalcbanks, this), this);
 			sur->sel_obs = sel_fb;
 		}
 	} else if (feedback_on) {
-		route_send_fail ("select", sur->expand, 0 , addr);
+		float_message_with_id ("/strip/select", sur->expand, 0 , addr);
 	}
 	// need to set monitor for processor changed signal
 	// detecting processor changes requires cast to route
@@ -3389,7 +3246,7 @@ OSC::strip_gui_select (int ssid, int yn, lo_message msg)
 		SetStripableSelection (s);
 	} else {
 		if ((int) (sur->feedback.to_ulong())) {
-			route_send_fail ("select", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+			float_message_with_id ("/strip/select", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 		}
 	}
 
@@ -3436,7 +3293,6 @@ int
 OSC::route_set_gain_dB (int ssid, float dB, lo_message msg)
 {
 	if (!session) {
-		route_send_fail ("gain", ssid, -193, get_address (msg));
 		return -1;
 	}
 	int ret;
@@ -3446,7 +3302,7 @@ OSC::route_set_gain_dB (int ssid, float dB, lo_message msg)
 		ret = route_set_gain_abs (ssid, dB_to_coefficient (dB), msg);
 	}
 	if (ret != 0) {
-		return route_send_fail ("gain", ssid, -193, get_address (msg));
+		return float_message_with_id ("/strip/gain", ssid, -193, get_address (msg));
 	}
 	return 0;
 }
@@ -3526,10 +3382,10 @@ OSC::route_set_gain_fader (int ssid, float pos, lo_message msg)
 			fake_touch (s->gain_control());
 			s->gain_control()->set_value (s->gain_control()->interface_to_internal (pos), sur->usegroup);
 		} else {
-			return route_send_fail ("fader", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+			return float_message_with_id ("/strip/fader", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 		}
 	} else {
-		return route_send_fail ("fader", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+		return float_message_with_id ("/strip/fader", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 	}
 	return 0;
 }
@@ -3602,7 +3458,7 @@ OSC::route_set_trim_dB (int ssid, float dB, lo_message msg)
 	int ret;
 	ret = route_set_trim_abs(ssid, dB_to_coefficient (dB), msg);
 	if (ret != 0) {
-		return route_send_fail ("trimdB", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
+		return float_message_with_id ("/strip/trimdB", ssid, 0, get_address (msg));
 	}
 
 return 0;
@@ -3679,7 +3535,7 @@ OSC::route_set_pan_stereo_position (int ssid, float pos, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("pan_stereo_position", ssid, 0.5, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/pan_stereo_position", ssid, 0.5, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -3696,7 +3552,7 @@ OSC::route_set_pan_stereo_width (int ssid, float pos, lo_message msg)
 		}
 	}
 
-	return route_send_fail ("pan_stereo_width", ssid, 1, get_address (msg));
+	return float_message_with_id ("/strip/pan_stereo_width", ssid, 1, get_address (msg));
 }
 
 int
@@ -4825,14 +4681,15 @@ OSC::gui_selection_changed ()
 bool
 OSC::periodic (void)
 {
+	// XXXX tick turned off for testing
+	// return true; // no crash with this enabled :P
 	if (!tick) {
 		Glib::usleep(100); // let flurry of signals subside
 		if (global_init) {
-			Glib::Threads::Mutex::Lock lm (surfaces_lock);
 			for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); it++) {
 				OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
 				lo_address addr = lo_address_new_from_url (sur->remote_url.c_str());
-				global_feedback (*sur, addr);
+				global_feedback (sur, addr);
 			}
 			global_init = false;
 			tick = true;
@@ -4843,6 +4700,7 @@ OSC::periodic (void)
 			tick = true;
 		}
 	}
+	//return true;
 
 	if (scrub_speed != 0) {
 		// for those jog wheels that don't have 0 on release (touch), time out.
@@ -4855,37 +4713,24 @@ OSC::periodic (void)
 			session->request_locate (scrub_place, false);
 		}
 	}
-
-	for (GlobalObservers::iterator x = global_observers.begin(); x != global_observers.end(); x++) {
-
-		OSCGlobalObserver* go;
-
-		if ((go = dynamic_cast<OSCGlobalObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			go->tick();
-		}
-	}
-	for (RouteObservers::iterator x = route_observers.begin(); x != route_observers.end(); x++) {
-
-		OSCRouteObserver* ro;
-
-		if ((ro = dynamic_cast<OSCRouteObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			ro->tick();
-		}
-	}
 	for (uint32_t it = 0; it < _surface.size(); it++) {
 		OSCSurface* sur = &_surface[it];
 		OSCSelectObserver* so;
 		if ((so = dynamic_cast<OSCSelectObserver*>(sur->sel_obs)) != 0) {
-			so->tick();
+			so->tick ();
 		}
-	}
-	for (CueObservers::iterator x = cue_observers.begin(); x != cue_observers.end(); x++) {
-
 		OSCCueObserver* co;
-
-		if ((co = dynamic_cast<OSCCueObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-			co->tick();
+		if ((co = dynamic_cast<OSCCueObserver*>(sur->cue_obs)) != 0) {
+			co->tick ();
 		}
+		OSCGlobalObserver* go;
+		if ((go = dynamic_cast<OSCGlobalObserver*>(sur->global_obs)) != 0) {
+			go->tick ();
+		}
+		for (uint32_t i = 0; i < sur->observers.size(); i++) {
+			sur->observers[i]->tick ();
+		}
+
 	}
 	for (FakeTouchMap::iterator x = _touch_timeout.begin(); x != _touch_timeout.end();) {
 		_touch_timeout[(*x).first] = (*x).second - 1;
@@ -4901,40 +4746,6 @@ OSC::periodic (void)
 	return true;
 }
 
-int
-OSC::route_send_fail (string path, uint32_t ssid, float val, lo_address addr)
-{
-	OSCSurface *sur = get_surface(addr);
-
-	ostringstream os;
-	lo_message reply;
-	if (ssid) {
-		reply = lo_message_new ();
-		if (sur->feedback[2]) {
-			os << "/strip/" << path << "/" << ssid;
-		} else {
-			os << "/strip/" << path;
-			lo_message_add_int32 (reply, ssid);
-		}
-		string str_pth = os.str();
-		lo_message_add_float (reply, (float) val);
-
-		lo_send_message (addr, str_pth.c_str(), reply);
-		lo_message_free (reply);
-	}
-	if ((_select == get_strip (ssid, addr)) || ((sur->expand == ssid) && (sur->expand_enable))) {
-		os.str("");
-		os << "/select/" << path;
-		string sel_pth = os.str();
-		reply = lo_message_new ();
-		lo_message_add_float (reply, (float) val);
-		lo_send_message (addr, sel_pth.c_str(), reply);
-		lo_message_free (reply);
-	}
-
-	return 0;
-}
-
 int
 OSC::sel_fail (string path, float val, lo_address addr)
 {
@@ -5189,27 +5000,7 @@ OSC::_cue_set (uint32_t aux, lo_address addr)
 	}
 	s->aux = aux;
 
-	// get rid of any old CueObsevers for this address
 	//cueobserver_connections.drop_connections ();
-	CueObservers::iterator x;
-	for (x = cue_observers.begin(); x != cue_observers.end();) {
-
-		OSCCueObserver* co;
-
-		if ((co = dynamic_cast<OSCCueObserver*>(*x)) != 0) {
-
-			int res = strcmp(lo_address_get_url(co->address()), lo_address_get_url(addr));
-
-			if (res == 0) {
-				delete *x;
-				x = cue_observers.erase (x);
-			} else {
-				++x;
-			}
-		} else {
-			++x;
-		}
-	}
 
 	// get a list of Auxes
 	for (uint32_t n = 0; n < s->nstrips; ++n) {
@@ -5225,7 +5016,7 @@ OSC::_cue_set (uint32_t aux, lo_address addr)
 				s->sends = cue_get_sorted_stripables(stp, aux, addr);
 				// start cue observer
 				OSCCueObserver* co = new OSCCueObserver (stp, s->sends, addr);
-				cue_observers.push_back (co);
+				s->cue_obs = co;
 				ret = 0;
 			}
 
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.h b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.h
index cb2d027267..111b537be3 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.h
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc.h
@@ -125,11 +125,26 @@ class OSC : public ARDOUR::ControlProtocol, public AbstractUI<OSCUIRequest>
 // keep a surface's global setup by remote server url
 	struct OSCSurface {
 	public:
+		//global
 		std::string remote_url;		// the url these setting belong to
 		bool no_clear;				// don't send osc clear messages on strip change
 		JogMode jogmode;			// current jogmode
+		OSCGlobalObserver* global_obs;	// pointer to this surface's global observer
+		uint32_t nstrips;			// how many strips are there for strip_types
+		std::bitset<32> feedback;	// What is fed back? strips/meters/timecode/bar_beat/global
+		int gainmode;				// what kind of faders do we have Gain db or position 0 to 1?
+		PBD::Controllable::GroupControlDisposition usegroup;	// current group disposition
+		Sorted strips;				// list of stripables for this surface
+		// strips
 		uint32_t bank;				// current bank
 		uint32_t bank_size;			// size of banks for this surface
+		std::vector<OSCRouteObserver*> observers;	// route observers for this surface
+		std::bitset<32> strip_types;// what strip types are a part of this bank
+		//select
+		OSCSelectObserver* sel_obs;	// So we can sync select feedback with selected channel
+		uint32_t expand;			// Used by /select/select
+		bool expand_enable;			// use expand instead of select
+		boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> select; // stripable this surface uses (maybe expand strip)		
 		int plug_page;				// current plugin page
 		uint32_t plug_page_size;	// plugin page size (number of controls)
 		int plugin_id;			// id of current plugin
@@ -138,18 +153,11 @@ class OSC : public ARDOUR::ControlProtocol, public AbstractUI<OSCUIRequest>
 		int send_page;				// current send page
 		uint32_t send_page_size;	// send page size in channels
 		PBD::ScopedConnection proc_connection; // for processor signal monitoring
-		std::bitset<32> strip_types;// what strip types are a part of this bank
-		uint32_t nstrips;			// how many strips are there for strip_types
-		std::bitset<32> feedback;	// What is fed back? strips/meters/timecode/bar_beat/global
-		int gainmode;				// what kind of faders do we have Gain db or position 0 to 1?
-		PBD::Controllable::GroupControlDisposition usegroup;	// current group disposition
-		uint32_t expand;			// Used by /select/select
-		bool expand_enable;			// use expand instead of select
-		OSCSelectObserver* sel_obs;	// So we can sync select feedback with selected channel
-		Sorted strips;				// list of stripables for this surface
+		// cue
 		bool cue;					// is this a cue surface
 		uint32_t aux;				// aux index for this cue surface
 		Sorted sends;				// list of sends for cue aux
+		OSCCueObserver* cue_obs;	// pointer to this surface's cue observer
 	};
 		/*
 		 * feedback bits:
@@ -248,7 +256,9 @@ class OSC : public ARDOUR::ControlProtocol, public AbstractUI<OSCUIRequest>
 	int check_surface (lo_message msg);
 	uint32_t get_sid (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> strip, lo_address addr);
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> get_strip (uint32_t ssid, lo_address addr);
-	void global_feedback (OSCSurface sur, lo_address addr);
+	void global_feedback (OSCSurface* sur, lo_address addr);
+	void strip_feedback (OSCSurface* sur);
+	void surface_destroy (OSCSurface* sur);
 
 	void send_current_value (const char* path, lo_arg** argv, int argc, lo_message msg);
 	void current_value_query (const char* path, size_t len, lo_arg **argv, int argc, lo_message msg);
@@ -677,9 +687,6 @@ class OSC : public ARDOUR::ControlProtocol, public AbstractUI<OSCUIRequest>
 	int sel_eq_shape (int id, float val, lo_message msg);
 
 	void listen_to_route (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>, lo_address);
-	void end_listen (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>, lo_address);
-	void drop_route (boost::weak_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>);
-	void route_lost (boost::weak_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>);
 	void gui_selection_changed (void);
 
 	void route_name_changed (const PBD::PropertyChange&, boost::weak_ptr<ARDOUR::Route> r, lo_address addr);
@@ -694,20 +701,9 @@ class OSC : public ARDOUR::ControlProtocol, public AbstractUI<OSCUIRequest>
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList session_connections;
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList cueobserver_connections;
 
-	int route_send_fail (std::string path, uint32_t ssid, float val, lo_address addr);
 	int sel_send_fail (std::string path, uint32_t id, float val, lo_address addr);
 	int sel_fail (std::string path, float val, lo_address addr);
 
-	typedef std::list<OSCRouteObserver*> RouteObservers;
-
-	RouteObservers route_observers;
-
-	typedef std::list<OSCGlobalObserver*> GlobalObservers;
-	GlobalObservers global_observers;
-
-	typedef std::list<OSCCueObserver*> CueObservers;
-	CueObservers cue_observers;
-
 	void debugmsg (const char *prefix, const char *path, const char* types, lo_arg **argv, int argc);
 
 	static OSC* _instance;
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.cc
index 00f1b26a30..31d9b60e4e 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.cc
@@ -36,8 +36,9 @@ using namespace PBD;
 using namespace ARDOUR;
 using namespace ArdourSurface;
 
-OSCGlobalObserver::OSCGlobalObserver (Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su)
-	: sur (su)
+OSCGlobalObserver::OSCGlobalObserver (OSC& o, Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su)
+	: _osc (o)
+	,sur (su)
 	,_init (true)
 	,_last_master_gain (0.0)
 	,_last_master_trim (0.0)
@@ -59,7 +60,7 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::OSCGlobalObserver (Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface
 		*/
 
 		// Master channel first
-		text_message (X_("/master/name"), "Master");
+		_osc.text_message (X_("/master/name"), "Master", addr);
 		boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> strip = session->master_out();
 
 		boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> mute_controllable = boost::dynamic_pointer_cast<Controllable>(strip->mute_control());
@@ -83,7 +84,7 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::OSCGlobalObserver (Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface
 		// monitor stuff next
 		strip = session->monitor_out();
 		if (strip) {
-			text_message (X_("/monitor/name"), "Monitor");
+			_osc.text_message (X_("/monitor/name"), "Monitor", addr);
 
 			boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> mon_mute_cont = strip->monitor_control()->cut_control();
 			mon_mute_cont->Changed.connect (strip_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCGlobalObserver::send_change_message, this, X_("/monitor/mute"), mon_mute_cont), OSC::instance());
@@ -114,8 +115,8 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::OSCGlobalObserver (Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface
 		send_record_state_changed ();
 
 		// session feedback
-		session->StateSaved.connect(session_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCGlobalObserver::text_message, this, X_("/session_name"), _1), OSC::instance());
-		text_message (X_("/session_name"), session->snap_name());
+		session->StateSaved.connect(session_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCGlobalObserver::session_name, this, X_("/session_name"), _1), OSC::instance());
+		session_name (X_("/session_name"), session->snap_name());
 		session->SoloActive.connect(session_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCGlobalObserver::solo_active, this, _1), OSC::instance());
 		solo_active (session->soloing() || session->listening());
 
@@ -137,6 +138,61 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::~OSCGlobalObserver ()
 	lo_address_free (addr);
 }
 
+void
+OSCGlobalObserver::clear_observer ()
+{
+	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
+	session_connections.drop_connections ();
+	_osc.text_message (X_("/master/name"), " ", addr);
+	_osc.text_message (X_("/monitor/name"), " ", addr);
+	_osc.text_message (X_("/session_name"), " ", addr);
+	if (feedback[6]) { // timecode enabled
+		_osc.text_message (X_("/position/smpte"), " ", addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[5]) { // Bar beat enabled
+		_osc.text_message (X_("/position/bbt"), " ", addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[11]) { // minutes/seconds enabled
+		_osc.text_message (X_("/position/time"), " ", addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[10]) { // samples
+		_osc.text_message (X_("/position/samples"), " ", addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[3]) { //heart beat enabled
+		_osc.float_message (X_("/heartbeat"), 0.0, addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[7] || feedback[8]) { // meters enabled
+		float meter = 0;
+		if (feedback[7] && !gainmode) {
+			meter = -193;
+		}
+		_osc.float_message (X_("/master/meter"), meter, addr);
+	}
+	if (feedback[9]) {
+		_osc.float_message (X_("/master/signal"), 0, addr);
+	}
+	_osc.float_message ("/master/fader", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/monitor/fader", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/master/gain", -193, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/monitor/gain", -193, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/master/trimdB"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/master/mute", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/master/pan_stereo_position", 0.5, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/monitor/mute", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/monitor/dim", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/monitor/mono", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/loop_toggle"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/transport_play"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/transport_stop"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/rewind"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/ffwd"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/record_tally"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/rec_enable_toggle"), 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/cancel_all_solos"), 0, addr);
+
+
+}
+
 void
 OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 {
@@ -159,7 +215,7 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 			os << ':';
 			os << setw(2) << setfill('0') << timecode.frames;
 
-			text_message ("/position/smpte", os.str());
+			_osc.text_message ("/position/smpte", os.str(), addr);
 		}
 		if (feedback[5]) { // Bar beat enabled
 			Timecode::BBT_Time bbt_time;
@@ -175,7 +231,7 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 			os << '|';
 			os << setw(4) << setfill('0') << bbt_time.ticks;
 
-			text_message ("/position/bbt", os.str());
+			_osc.text_message ("/position/bbt", os.str(), addr);
 		}
 		if (feedback[11]) { // minutes/seconds enabled
 			samplepos_t left = now_sample;
@@ -197,21 +253,21 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 			os << '.';
 			os << setw(3) << setfill('0') << millisecs;
 
-			text_message ("/position/time", os.str());
+			_osc.text_message ("/position/time", os.str(), addr);
 		}
 		if (feedback[10]) { // samples
 			ostringstream os;
 			os << now_sample;
-			text_message ("/position/samples", os.str());
+			_osc.text_message ("/position/samples", os.str(), addr);
 		}
 		_last_sample = now_sample;
 	}
 	if (feedback[3]) { //heart beat enabled
 		if (_heartbeat == 10) {
-			float_message (X_("/heartbeat"), 1.0);
+			_osc.float_message (X_("/heartbeat"), 1.0, addr);
 		}
 		if (!_heartbeat) {
-			float_message (X_("/heartbeat"), 0.0);
+			_osc.float_message (X_("/heartbeat"), 0.0, addr);
 		}
 		_heartbeat++;
 		if (_heartbeat > 20) _heartbeat = 0;
@@ -224,13 +280,13 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 			if (feedback[7] || feedback[8]) {
 				if (gainmode && feedback[7]) {
 					// change from db to 0-1
-					float_message (X_("/master/meter"), ((now_meter + 94) / 100));
+					_osc.float_message (X_("/master/meter"), ((now_meter + 94) / 100), addr);
 				} else if ((!gainmode) && feedback[7]) {
-					float_message (X_("/master/meter"), now_meter);
+					_osc.float_message (X_("/master/meter"), now_meter, addr);
 				} else if (feedback[8]) {
 					uint32_t ledlvl = (uint32_t)(((now_meter + 54) / 3.75)-1);
 					uint32_t ledbits = ~(0xfff<<ledlvl);
-					int_message (X_("/master/meter"), ledbits);
+					_osc.float_message (X_("/master/meter"), ledbits, addr);
 				}
 			}
 			if (feedback[9]) {
@@ -240,7 +296,7 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 				} else {
 					signal = 1;
 				}
-				float_message (X_("/master/signal"), signal);
+				_osc.float_message (X_("/master/signal"), signal, addr);
 			}
 		}
 		_last_meter = now_meter;
@@ -249,13 +305,13 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 	if (feedback[4]) {
 		if (master_timeout) {
 			if (master_timeout == 1) {
-				text_message (X_("/master/name"), "Master");
+				_osc.text_message (X_("/master/name"), "Master", addr);
 			}
 			master_timeout--;
 		}
 		if (monitor_timeout) {
 			if (monitor_timeout == 1) {
-				text_message (X_("/monitor/name"), "Monitor");
+				_osc.text_message (X_("/monitor/name"), "Monitor", addr);
 			}
 			monitor_timeout--;
 		}
@@ -265,7 +321,13 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::tick ()
 void
 OSCGlobalObserver::send_change_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> controllable)
 {
-	float_message (path, (float) controllable->get_value());
+	_osc.float_message (path, (float) controllable->get_value(), addr);
+}
+
+void
+OSCGlobalObserver::session_name (string path, string name)
+{
+	_osc.text_message (path, name, addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -287,8 +349,8 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::send_gain_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllabl
 		}
 	}
 	if (gainmode) {
-		float_message (string_compose ("%1fader", path), controllable->internal_to_interface (controllable->get_value()));
-		text_message (string_compose ("%1name", path), string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value())));
+		_osc.float_message (string_compose ("%1fader", path), controllable->internal_to_interface (controllable->get_value()), addr);
+		_osc.text_message (string_compose ("%1name", path), string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value())), addr);
 		if (ismaster) {
 			master_timeout = 8;
 		} else {
@@ -297,9 +359,9 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::send_gain_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllabl
 
 	} else {
 		if (controllable->get_value() < 1e-15) {
-			float_message (string_compose ("%1gain",path), -200);
+			_osc.float_message (string_compose ("%1gain",path), -200, addr);
 		} else {
-			float_message (string_compose ("%1gain",path), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()));
+			_osc.float_message (string_compose ("%1gain",path), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()), addr);
 		}
 	}
 }
@@ -312,67 +374,34 @@ OSCGlobalObserver::send_trim_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllabl
 	} else {
 		return;
 	}
-	float_message (X_("/master/trimdB"), (float) accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()));
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/master/trimdB"), (float) accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()), addr);
 }
 
 
 void
 OSCGlobalObserver::send_transport_state_changed()
 {
-	int_message (X_("/loop_toggle"), session->get_play_loop());
-	int_message (X_("/transport_play"), session->transport_speed() == 1.0);
-	int_message (X_("/transport_stop"), session->transport_stopped());
-	int_message (X_("/rewind"), session->transport_speed() < 0.0);
-	int_message (X_("/ffwd"), (session->transport_speed() != 1.0 && session->transport_speed() > 0.0));
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/loop_toggle"), session->get_play_loop(), addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/transport_play"), session->transport_speed() == 1.0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/transport_stop"), session->transport_stopped(), addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/rewind"), session->transport_speed() < 0.0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/ffwd"), (session->transport_speed() != 1.0 && session->transport_speed() > 0.0), addr);
 }
 
 void
 OSCGlobalObserver::send_record_state_changed ()
 {
-	int_message (X_("/rec_enable_toggle"), (int)session->get_record_enabled ());
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/rec_enable_toggle"), (int)session->get_record_enabled (), addr);
 
 	if (session->have_rec_enabled_track ()) {
-		int_message (X_("/record_tally"), 1);
+		_osc.float_message (X_("/record_tally"), 1, addr);
 	} else {
-		int_message (X_("/record_tally"), 0);
+		_osc.float_message (X_("/record_tally"), 0, addr);
 	}
 }
 
 void
 OSCGlobalObserver::solo_active (bool active)
 {
-	float_message (X_("/cancel_all_solos"), (float) active);
-}
-
-void
-OSCGlobalObserver::text_message (string path, std::string text)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-
-	lo_message_add_string (msg, text.c_str());
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
-}
-
-void
-OSCGlobalObserver::float_message (string path, float value)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, value);
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
-}
-
-void
-OSCGlobalObserver::int_message (string path, uint32_t value)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-
-	lo_message_add_int32 (msg, value);
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message (X_("/cancel_all_solos"), (float) active, addr);
 }
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.h b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.h
index 86832a54e8..4c071cdf0c 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.h
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_global_observer.h
@@ -33,13 +33,15 @@ class OSCGlobalObserver
 {
 
   public:
-	OSCGlobalObserver (ARDOUR::Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su);
+	OSCGlobalObserver (ArdourSurface::OSC& o, ARDOUR::Session& s, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su);
 	~OSCGlobalObserver ();
 
 	lo_address address() const { return addr; };
 	void tick (void);
+	void clear_observer (void);
 
   private:
+	ArdourSurface::OSC& _osc;
 
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList strip_connections;
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList session_connections;
@@ -71,9 +73,7 @@ class OSCGlobalObserver
 	void send_transport_state_changed (void);
 	void send_record_state_changed (void);
 	void solo_active (bool active);
-	void text_message (std::string path, std::string text);
-	void float_message (std::string path, float value);
-	void int_message (std::string path, uint32_t value);
+	void session_name (std::string path, std::string name);
 };
 
 #endif /* __osc_oscglobalobserver_h__ */
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
index a960cf0003..6ce80ab789 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.cc
@@ -59,12 +59,67 @@ OSCRouteObserver::~OSCRouteObserver ()
 	lo_address_free (addr);
 }
 
+void
+OSCRouteObserver::no_strip ()
+{
+	// This gets called on drop references
+	_init = true;
+
+	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
+	/*
+	 * The strip will sit idle at this point doing nothing until
+	 * the surface has recalculated it's strip list and then calls
+	 * refresh_strip. Otherwise refresh strip will get a strip address
+	 * that does not exist... Crash
+	 */
+ }
+	
 void
 OSCRouteObserver::refresh_strip (bool force)
 {
 	_init = true;
+	uint32_t sid = sur->bank + ssid - 2;
+	if (sid >= sur->strips.size ()) {
+		// this _should_ only occure if the number of strips is less than banksize
+		clear_strip ();
+		return;
+	}
+	// future
+	/*if (sur->linkset) {
+		//to be added with linkset stuff
+		if (_osc.linksets[sur->linkset]->not_ready)
+			clear_strip ();
+			switch (ssid) {
+				case 1:
+					_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, "Device", addr);
+					break;
+				case 2:
+					_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, string_compose ("%1", not_ready), addr);
+					break;
+				case 3:
+					_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, "Missing", addr);
+					break;
+				case 4:
+					_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, "from", addr);
+					break;
+				case 5:
+					_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, "Linkset", addr);
+					break;
+				default:
+					break;
+			}
+			return;
+		}
+	}*/
 
-	_strip = sur->strips[sur->bank + ssid - 2];
+	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> new_strip = sur->strips[sur->bank + ssid - 2];
+	if (_strip && (new_strip == _strip) && !force) {
+		_init = false;
+		return;
+	}
+
+	_strip = new_strip;
+	_strip->DropReferences.connect (strip_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCRouteObserver::no_strip, this), OSC::instance());
 	as = ARDOUR::Off;
 
 	if (sur->feedback[0]) { // buttons are separate feedback
@@ -130,6 +185,50 @@ OSCRouteObserver::refresh_strip (bool force)
 
 }
 
+void
+OSCRouteObserver::clear_strip ()
+{
+	_init = true;
+
+	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
+
+	// all strip buttons should be off and faders 0 and etc.
+	_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/expand", ssid, 0, addr);
+	if (sur->feedback[0]) { // buttons are separate feedback
+		_osc.text_message_with_id ("/strip/name", ssid, " ", addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/mute", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/solo", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/recenable", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/record_safe", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/monitor_input", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/monitor_disk", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/gui_select", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/select", ssid, 0, addr);
+	}
+	if (sur->feedback[1]) { // level controls
+		if (sur->gainmode) {
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/fader", ssid, 0, addr);
+		} else {
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/gain", ssid, -193, addr);
+		}
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/trimdB", ssid, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/pan_stereo_position", ssid, 0.5, addr);
+	}
+	if (sur->feedback[9]) {
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/signal", ssid, 0, addr);
+	}
+	if (sur->feedback[7]) {
+		if (sur->gainmode) {
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/meter", ssid, 0, addr);
+		} else {
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/meter", ssid, -193, addr);
+		}
+	}else if (sur->feedback[8]) {
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/strip/meter", ssid, 0, addr);
+	}
+}
+
+
 void
 OSCRouteObserver::tick ()
 {
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
index be7dd27a4e..2beefa0166 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_route_observer.h
@@ -40,10 +40,12 @@ class OSCRouteObserver
 	~OSCRouteObserver ();
 
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> strip () const { return _strip; }
-	lo_address address() const { return addr; };
+	uint32_t strip_id () const { return ssid; }
+	lo_address address () const { return addr; };
 	void tick (void);
 	void send_select_status (const PBD::PropertyChange&);
 	void refresh_strip (bool force);
+	void clear_strip ();
 
   private:
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> _strip;
@@ -70,6 +72,7 @@ class OSCRouteObserver
 	void send_gain_message ();
 	void gain_automation ();
 	void send_trim_message ();
+	void no_strip ();
 };
 
 #endif /* __osc_oscrouteobserver_h__ */
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.cc b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.cc
index 1889b04c26..eb0b57e7eb 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.cc
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.cc
@@ -49,8 +49,8 @@ using namespace PBD;
 using namespace ARDOUR;
 using namespace ArdourSurface;
 
-OSCSelectObserver::OSCSelectObserver (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address a, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su)
-	: _strip (s)
+OSCSelectObserver::OSCSelectObserver (OSC& o, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* su)
+	: _osc (o)
 	,sur (su)
 	,nsends (0)
 	,_last_gain (-1.0)
@@ -58,12 +58,56 @@ OSCSelectObserver::OSCSelectObserver (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address
 	,_init (true)
 {
 	addr = lo_address_new_from_url 	(sur->remote_url.c_str());
+	std::cout << "select observer created\n";
+	refresh_strip (true);
+}
+
+OSCSelectObserver::~OSCSelectObserver ()
+{
+	_init = true;
+	no_strip ();
+	lo_address_free (addr);
+}
+
+void
+OSCSelectObserver::no_strip ()
+{
+	// This gets called on drop references
+	_init = true;
+
+	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
+	/*
+	 * The strip will sit idle at this point doing nothing until
+	 * the surface has recalculated it's strip list and then calls
+	 * refresh_strip. Otherwise refresh strip will get a strip address
+	 * that does not exist... Crash
+	 */
+ }
+
+void
+OSCSelectObserver::refresh_strip (bool force)
+{
+	_init = true;
+
+	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> new_strip = sur->select;
+	if (_strip && (new_strip == _strip) && !force) {
+		_init = false;
+		return;
+	}
+	std::cout << string_compose ("new select: %1\n", new_strip->name());
+
+	_strip = new_strip;
+	_strip->DropReferences.connect (strip_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCSelectObserver::no_strip, this), OSC::instance());
+	as = ARDOUR::Off;
 	gainmode = sur->gainmode;
 	feedback = sur->feedback;
 	as = ARDOUR::Off;
 	send_size = 0;
 	plug_size = 0;
 	_comp_redux = 1;
+	nsends = 0;
+	_last_gain = -1.0;
+	_last_trim = -1.0;
 
 	_strip->PropertyChanged.connect (strip_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCSelectObserver::name_changed, this, boost::lambda::_1), OSC::instance());
 	name_changed (ARDOUR::Properties::name);
@@ -180,58 +224,56 @@ OSCSelectObserver::OSCSelectObserver (boost::shared_ptr<Stripable> s, lo_address
 	tick();
 }
 
-OSCSelectObserver::~OSCSelectObserver ()
+void
+OSCSelectObserver::clear_observer ()
 {
-	_init = true;
 	strip_connections.drop_connections ();
 	// all strip buttons should be off and faders 0 and etc.
-	send_float ("/select/expand", 0);
-	text_message ("/select/name", " ");
-	text_message ("/select/comment", " ");
-	send_float ("/select/mute", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/solo", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/recenable", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/record_safe", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/monitor_input", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/monitor_disk", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/polarity", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/n_inputs", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/n_outputs", 0);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/expand", 0, addr);
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/name", " ", addr);
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/comment", " ", addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/mute", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/solo", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/recenable", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/record_safe", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/monitor_input", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/monitor_disk", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/polarity", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/n_inputs", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/n_outputs", 0, addr);
 	if (gainmode) {
-		send_float ("/select/fader", 0);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/fader", 0, addr);
 	} else {
-		send_float ("/select/gain", -193);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/gain", -193, addr);
 	}
-	send_float ("/select/trimdB", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/pan_stereo_position", 0.5);
-	send_float ("/select/pan_stereo_width", 1);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/trimdB", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/pan_stereo_position", 0.5, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/pan_stereo_width", 1, addr);
 	if (feedback[9]) {
-		send_float ("/select/signal", 0);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/signal", 0, addr);
 	}
 	if (feedback[7]) {
 		if (gainmode) {
-			send_float ("/select/meter", 0);
+			_osc.float_message ("/select/meter", 0, addr);
 		} else {
-			send_float ("/select/meter", -193);
+			_osc.float_message ("/select/meter", -193, addr);
 		}
 	}else if (feedback[8]) {
-		send_float ("/select/meter", 0);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/meter", 0, addr);
 	}
-	send_float ("/select/pan_elevation_position", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/pan_frontback_position", .5);
-	send_float ("/select/pan_lfe_control", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/comp_enable", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/comp_threshold", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/comp_speed", 0);
-	send_float ("/select/comp_mode", 0);
-	text_message ("/select/comp_mode_name", " ");
-	text_message ("/select/comp_speed_name", " ");
-	send_float ("/select/comp_makeup", 0);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/pan_elevation_position", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/pan_frontback_position", .5, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/pan_lfe_control", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_enable", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_threshold", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_speed", 0, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_mode", 0, addr);
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/comp_mode_name", " ", addr);
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/comp_speed_name", " ", addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_makeup", 0, addr);
 	send_end();
 	plugin_end();
 	eq_end();
-
-	lo_address_free (addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -300,17 +342,17 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_init()
 			boost::shared_ptr<Route> r = boost::dynamic_pointer_cast<Route> (_strip);
 			if (!r) {
 				// should never get here
-				send_float_with_id ("/select/send_enable", c, 0);
+				_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_enable", c, 0, addr);
 			}
 			boost::shared_ptr<Send> snd = boost::dynamic_pointer_cast<Send> (r->nth_send(s));
 			if (snd) {
 				boost::shared_ptr<Processor> proc = boost::dynamic_pointer_cast<Processor> (snd);
 				proc->ActiveChanged.connect (send_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCSelectObserver::send_enable, this, X_("/select/send_enable"), c, proc), OSC::instance());
-				send_float_with_id ("/select/send_enable", c, proc->enabled());
+				_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_enable", c, proc->enabled(), addr);
 			}
 		}
 		if (!gainmode && send_valid) {
-			text_with_id ("/select/send_name", c, _strip->send_name(s));
+			_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/send_name", c, _strip->send_name(s), addr);
 		}
 	}
 }
@@ -343,7 +385,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::plugin_init()
 	if (sur->plug_page_size) {
 		plug_size = sur->plug_page_size;
 	}
-	text_message ("/select/plugin/name", pip->name());
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/plugin/name", pip->name(), addr);
 	uint32_t page_end = nplug_params;
 	uint32_t max_page = 1;
 	if (plug_size && nplug_params) {
@@ -362,8 +404,8 @@ OSCSelectObserver::plugin_init()
 	int pid = 1;
 	for ( uint32_t ppi = page_start;  ppi < page_end; ++ppi, ++pid) {
 		if (ppi >= nplug_params) {
-			text_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", pid, " ");
-			send_float_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter", pid, 0);
+			_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", pid, " ", addr);
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter", pid, 0, addr);
 			continue;
 		}
 
@@ -373,7 +415,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::plugin_init()
 		}
 		ParameterDescriptor pd;
 		pip->get_parameter_descriptor(controlid, pd);
-		text_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", pid, pd.label);
+		_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", pid, pd.label, addr);
 		if ( pip->parameter_is_input(controlid)) {
 			boost::shared_ptr<AutomationControl> c = pi->automation_control(Evoral::Parameter(PluginAutomation, 0, controlid));
 			if (c) {
@@ -394,14 +436,14 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_end ()
 	send_connections.drop_connections ();
 	for (uint32_t i = 1; i <= send_size; i++) {
 		if (gainmode) {
-			send_float_with_id ("/select/send_fader", i, 0);
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_fader", i, 0, addr);
 		} else {
-			send_float_with_id ("/select/send_gain", i, -193);
+			_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_gain", i, -193, addr);
 		}
 		// next enable
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/send_enable", i, 0);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_enable", i, 0, addr);
 		// next name
-		text_with_id ("/select/send_name", i, " ");
+		_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/send_name", i, " ", addr);
 	}
 	// need to delete or clear send_timeout
 	send_timeout.clear();
@@ -422,11 +464,11 @@ void
 OSCSelectObserver::plugin_end ()
 {
 	plugin_connections.drop_connections ();
-	text_message ("/select/plugin/name", " ");
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/plugin/name", " ", addr);
 	for (uint32_t i = 1; i <= plug_size; i++) {
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter", i, 0);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter", i, 0, addr);
 		// next name
-		text_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", i, " ");
+		_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/plugin/parameter/name", i, " ", addr);
 	}
 	nplug_params = 0;
 }
@@ -448,33 +490,25 @@ OSCSelectObserver::tick ()
 		if (_last_meter != now_meter) {
 			if (feedback[7] || feedback[8]) {
 				string path = "/select/meter";
-				lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 				if (gainmode && feedback[7]) {
-					lo_message_add_float (msg, ((now_meter + 94) / 100));
-					lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
+					_osc.float_message (path, ((now_meter + 94) / 100), addr);
 				} else if ((!gainmode) && feedback[7]) {
-					lo_message_add_float (msg, now_meter);
-					lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
+					_osc.float_message (path, now_meter, addr);
 				} else if (feedback[8]) {
 					uint32_t ledlvl = (uint32_t)(((now_meter + 54) / 3.75)-1);
 					uint16_t ledbits = ~(0xfff<<ledlvl);
-					lo_message_add_int32 (msg, ledbits);
-					lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
+					_osc.float_message (path, ledbits, addr);
 				}
-				lo_message_free (msg);
 			}
 			if (feedback[9]) {
 				string path = "/select/signal";
-				lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 				float signal;
 				if (now_meter < -40) {
 					signal = 0;
 				} else {
 					signal = 1;
 				}
-				lo_message_add_float (msg, signal);
-				lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-				lo_message_free (msg);
+				_osc.float_message (path, signal, addr);
 			}
 		}
 		_last_meter = now_meter;
@@ -482,7 +516,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::tick ()
 	}
 	if (gain_timeout) {
 		if (gain_timeout == 1) {
-			text_message ("/select/name", _strip->name());
+			_osc.text_message ("/select/name", _strip->name(), addr);
 		}
 		gain_timeout--;
 	}
@@ -496,7 +530,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::tick ()
 	if (_strip->comp_redux_controllable() && _strip->comp_enable_controllable() && _strip->comp_enable_controllable()->get_value()) {
 		float new_value = _strip->comp_redux_controllable()->get_parameter();
 		if (_comp_redux != new_value) {
-			send_float ("/select/comp_redux", new_value);
+			_osc.float_message ("/select/comp_redux", new_value, addr);
 			_comp_redux = new_value;
 		}
 	}
@@ -504,7 +538,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::tick ()
 		if (send_timeout[i]) {
 			if (send_timeout[i] == 1) {
 				uint32_t pg_offset = (sur->send_page - 1) * sur->send_page_size;
-				text_with_id ("/select/send_name", i, _strip->send_name(pg_offset + i - 1));
+				_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/send_name", i, _strip->send_name(pg_offset + i - 1), addr);
 			}
 			send_timeout[i]--;
 		}
@@ -522,28 +556,24 @@ OSCSelectObserver::name_changed (const PBD::PropertyChange& what_changed)
 		return;
 	}
 
-	text_message ("/select/name", _strip->name());
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/name", _strip->name(), addr);
 	boost::shared_ptr<Route> route = boost::dynamic_pointer_cast<Route> (_strip);
 	if (route) {
 		//spit out the comment at the same time
-		text_message ("/select/comment", route->comment());
+		_osc.text_message ("/select/comment", route->comment(), addr);
 		// lets tell the surface how many inputs this strip has
-		send_float ("/select/n_inputs", (float) route->n_inputs().n_total());
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/n_inputs", (float) route->n_inputs().n_total(), addr);
 		// lets tell the surface how many outputs this strip has
-		send_float ("/select/n_outputs", (float) route->n_outputs().n_total());
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/n_outputs", (float) route->n_outputs().n_total(), addr);
 	}
 }
 
 void
 OSCSelectObserver::change_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> controllable)
 {
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 	float val = controllable->get_value();
 
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, (float) controllable->internal_to_interface (val));
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message (path, (float) controllable->internal_to_interface (val), addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -551,9 +581,9 @@ OSCSelectObserver::enable_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable>
 {
 	float val = controllable->get_value();
 	if (val) {
-		send_float (path, 1);
+		_osc.float_message (path, 1, addr);
 	} else {
-		send_float (path, 0);
+		_osc.float_message (path, 0, addr);
 	}
 
 }
@@ -561,18 +591,9 @@ OSCSelectObserver::enable_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable>
 void
 OSCSelectObserver::change_message_with_id (string path, uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> controllable)
 {
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 	float val = controllable->get_value();
-	if (feedback[2]) {
-		path = set_path (path, id);
-	} else {
-		lo_message_add_int32 (msg, id);
-	}
 
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, (float) controllable->internal_to_interface (val));
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message_with_id (path, id, (float) controllable->internal_to_interface (val), addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -580,23 +601,12 @@ OSCSelectObserver::enable_message_with_id (string path, uint32_t id, boost::shar
 {
 	float val = controllable->get_value();
 	if (val) {
-		send_float_with_id (path, id, 1);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id (path, id, 1, addr);
 	} else {
-		send_float_with_id (path, id, 0);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id (path, id, 0, addr);
 	}
 }
 
-void
-OSCSelectObserver::text_message (string path, std::string text)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-
-	lo_message_add_string (msg, text.c_str());
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
-}
-
 void
 OSCSelectObserver::monitor_status (boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> controllable)
 {
@@ -616,8 +626,8 @@ OSCSelectObserver::monitor_status (boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> controllable)
 			input = 0;
 	}
 
-	send_float ("/select/monitor_input", (float) input);
-	send_float ("/select/monitor_disk", (float) disk);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/monitor_input", (float) input, addr);
+	_osc.float_message ("/select/monitor_disk", (float) disk, addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -628,12 +638,8 @@ OSCSelectObserver::trim_message (string path, boost::shared_ptr<Controllable> co
 	} else {
 		return;
 	}
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, (float) accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()));
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message (path, (float) accurate_coefficient_to_dB (controllable->get_value()), addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -647,14 +653,14 @@ OSCSelectObserver::gain_message ()
 	}
 
 	if (gainmode) {
-		text_message ("/select/name", string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (value)));
+		_osc.text_message ("/select/name", string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), accurate_coefficient_to_dB (value)), addr);
 		gain_timeout = 8;
-		send_float ("/select/fader", _strip->gain_control()->internal_to_interface (value));
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/fader", _strip->gain_control()->internal_to_interface (value), addr);
 	} else {
 		if (value < 1e-15) {
-			send_float ("/select/gain", -200);
+			_osc.float_message ("/select/gain", -200, addr);
 		} else {
-			send_float ("/select/gain", accurate_coefficient_to_dB (value));
+			_osc.float_message ("/select/gain", accurate_coefficient_to_dB (value), addr);
 		}
 	}
 }
@@ -687,11 +693,11 @@ OSCSelectObserver::gain_automation ()
 	}
 
 	if (gainmode) {
-		send_float ("/select/fader/automation", output);
-		text_message ("/select/fader/automation_name", auto_name);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/fader/automation", output, addr);
+		_osc.text_message ("/select/fader/automation_name", auto_name, addr);
 	} else {
-		send_float ("/select/gain/automation", output);
-		text_message ("/select/gain/automation_name", auto_name);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/gain/automation", output, addr);
+		_osc.text_message ("/select/gain/automation_name", auto_name, addr);
 	}
 
 	gain_message ();
@@ -705,7 +711,6 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_gain (uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable>
 	} else {
 		return;
 	}
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
 	string path;
 	float value;
 	float db;
@@ -722,7 +727,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_gain (uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable>
 	if (gainmode) {
 		path = "/select/send_fader";
 		value = controllable->internal_to_interface (controllable->get_value());
-	text_with_id ("/select/send_name" , id, string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), db));
+	_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/send_name" , id, string_compose ("%1%2%3", std::fixed, std::setprecision(2), db), addr);
 	if (send_timeout.size() > id) {
 		send_timeout[id] = 8;
 	}
@@ -731,15 +736,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_gain (uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable>
 		value = db;
 	}
 
-	if (feedback[2]) {
-		path = set_path (path, id);
-	} else {
-		lo_message_add_int32 (msg, id);
-	}
-
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, value);
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message_with_id (path, id, value, addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -748,31 +745,15 @@ OSCSelectObserver::send_enable (string path, uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<Proc
 	// with no delay value is wrong
 	Glib::usleep(10);
 
-	send_float_with_id ("/select/send_enable", id, proc->enabled());
-}
-
-void
-OSCSelectObserver::text_with_id (string path, uint32_t id, string name)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-	if (feedback[2]) {
-		path = set_path (path, id);
-	} else {
-		lo_message_add_int32 (msg, id);
-	}
-
-	lo_message_add_string (msg, name.c_str());
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
+	_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/send_enable", id, proc->enabled(), addr);
 }
 
 void
 OSCSelectObserver::comp_mode ()
 {
 	change_message ("/select/comp_mode", _strip->comp_mode_controllable());
-	text_message ("/select/comp_mode_name", _strip->comp_mode_name(_strip->comp_mode_controllable()->get_value()));
-	text_message ("/select/comp_speed_name", _strip->comp_speed_name(_strip->comp_mode_controllable()->get_value()));
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/comp_mode_name", _strip->comp_mode_name(_strip->comp_mode_controllable()->get_value()), addr);
+	_osc.text_message ("/select/comp_speed_name", _strip->comp_speed_name(_strip->comp_mode_controllable()->get_value()), addr);
 }
 
 void
@@ -821,7 +802,7 @@ OSCSelectObserver::eq_init()
 
 	for (uint32_t i = 0; i < eq_bands; i++) {
 		if (_strip->eq_band_name(i).size()) {
-			text_with_id ("/select/eq_band_name", i + 1, _strip->eq_band_name (i));
+			_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/eq_band_name", i + 1, _strip->eq_band_name (i), addr);
 		}
 		if (_strip->eq_gain_controllable (i)) {
 			_strip->eq_gain_controllable(i)->Changed.connect (eq_connections, MISSING_INVALIDATOR, boost::bind (&OSCSelectObserver::change_message_with_id, this, X_("/select/eq_gain"), i + 1, _strip->eq_gain_controllable(i)), OSC::instance());
@@ -847,18 +828,18 @@ OSCSelectObserver::eq_end ()
 {
 	eq_connections.drop_connections ();
 	if (_strip->filter_freq_controllable (true)) {
-		send_float ("/select/eq_hpf", 0);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/eq_hpf", 0, addr);
 	}
 	if (_strip->eq_enable_controllable ()) {
-		send_float ("/select/eq_enable", 0);
+		_osc.float_message ("/select/eq_enable", 0, addr);
 	}
 
 	for (uint32_t i = 1; i <= _strip->eq_band_cnt (); i++) {
-		text_with_id ("/select/eq_band_name", i, " ");
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/eq_gain", i, 0);
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/eq_freq", i, 0);
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/eq_q", i, 0);
-		send_float_with_id ("/select/eq_shape", i, 0);
+		_osc.text_message_with_id ("/select/eq_band_name", i, " ", addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/eq_gain", i, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/eq_freq", i, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/eq_q", i, 0, addr);
+		_osc.float_message_with_id ("/select/eq_shape", i, 0, addr);
 
 
 	}
@@ -879,32 +860,3 @@ OSCSelectObserver::set_path (string path, uint32_t id)
 	}
 	return path;
 }
-
-void
-OSCSelectObserver::send_float (string path, float val)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, val);
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
-
-}
-
-void
-OSCSelectObserver::send_float_with_id (string path, uint32_t id, float val)
-{
-	lo_message msg = lo_message_new ();
-	if (feedback[2]) {
-		path = set_path (path, id);
-	} else {
-		lo_message_add_int32 (msg, id);
-	}
-
-	lo_message_add_float (msg, val);
-
-	lo_send_message (addr, path.c_str(), msg);
-	lo_message_free (msg);
-
-}
-
diff --git a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.h b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.h
index 393a19dc70..218dce3735 100644
--- a/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.h
+++ b/libs/surfaces/osc/osc_select_observer.h
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ class OSCSelectObserver
 {
 
   public:
-	OSCSelectObserver (boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable>, lo_address addr, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* sur);
+	OSCSelectObserver (ArdourSurface::OSC& o, ArdourSurface::OSC::OSCSurface* sur);
 	~OSCSelectObserver ();
 
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> strip () const { return _strip; }
@@ -46,10 +46,14 @@ class OSCSelectObserver
 	void renew_sends (void);
 	void renew_plugin (void);
 	void eq_restart (int);
+	void clear_observer (void);
+	void refresh_strip (bool force);
+	void no_strip ();
 
   private:
 	boost::shared_ptr<ARDOUR::Stripable> _strip;
-
+	ArdourSurface::OSC& _osc;
+	
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList strip_connections;
 	// sends, plugins and eq need their own
 	PBD::ScopedConnectionList send_connections;
@@ -81,8 +85,6 @@ class OSCSelectObserver
 	void comp_mode (void);
 	void change_message_with_id (std::string path, uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable> controllable);
 	void enable_message_with_id (std::string path, uint32_t id, boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable> controllable);
-	void text_message (std::string path, std::string text);
-	void text_with_id (std::string path, uint32_t id, std::string name);
 	void monitor_status (boost::shared_ptr<PBD::Controllable> controllable);
 	void gain_message ();
 	void gain_automation ();
@@ -98,8 +100,6 @@ class OSCSelectObserver
 	void eq_init (void);
 	void eq_end (void);
 	std::string set_path (std::string path, uint32_t id);
-	void send_float (std::string path, float val);
-	void send_float_with_id (std::string path, uint32_t id, float val);
 };
 
 #endif /* __osc_oscselectobserver_h__ */