diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/add_route_dialog.cc b/gtk2_ardour/add_route_dialog.cc
index 53fbe613c6..2e58c646ea 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/add_route_dialog.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/add_route_dialog.cc
@@ -531,11 +531,6 @@ AddRouteDialog::group_changed ()
 {
 	if (_session && route_group_combo.get_active_text () == _("New Group...")) {
 		RouteGroup* g = new RouteGroup (*_session, "");
-
-		PropertyList plist;
-		plist.add (Properties::active, true);
-		g->apply_changes (plist);
-
 		RouteGroupDialog d (g, true);
 
 		if (d.do_run ()) {
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.cc b/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.cc
index 19dc590102..b31f64cf01 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.cc
@@ -395,32 +395,10 @@ GroupTabs::new_from_soloed ()
 	run_new_group_dialog (soloed);
 }
 
-PBD::PropertyList
-GroupTabs::default_properties () const
-{
-	PBD::PropertyList plist;
-
-	plist.add (Properties::route_active, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::active, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::gain, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::relative, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::color, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::monitoring, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::select, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::mute, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::solo, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::gain, true);
-	plist.add (Properties::recenable, true);
-
-	return plist;
-}
-
 void
 GroupTabs::run_new_group_dialog (RouteList const & rl)
 {
 	RouteGroup* g = new RouteGroup (*_session, "");
-	g->apply_changes (default_properties ());
-
 	RouteGroupDialog d (g, true);
 
 	if (d.do_run ()) {
@@ -437,9 +415,6 @@ RouteGroup *
 GroupTabs::create_and_add_group () const
 {
 	RouteGroup* g = new RouteGroup (*_session, "");
-
-	g->apply_changes (default_properties ());
-
 	RouteGroupDialog d (g, true);
 
 	if (d.do_run ()) {
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.h b/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.h
index 95b3ec5751..41c6cfefee 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/group_tabs.h
@@ -91,7 +91,6 @@ private:
 	virtual double extent () const = 0;
 
 	virtual void add_menu_items (Gtk::Menu *, ARDOUR::RouteGroup *) {}
-	virtual PBD::PropertyList default_properties () const;
 	virtual ARDOUR::RouteList selected_routes () const = 0;
 	virtual void sync_order_keys () = 0;
 
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/route_group_menu.cc b/gtk2_ardour/route_group_menu.cc
index c50a18e3cf..f4c7611ae7 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/route_group_menu.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/route_group_menu.cc
@@ -158,8 +158,6 @@ RouteGroupMenu::new_group ()
 	}
 
 	RouteGroup* g = new RouteGroup (*_session, "");
-	g->apply_changes (*_default_properties);
-
 	RouteGroupDialog d (g, true);
 
 	if (d.do_run ()) {