diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/editor.cc b/gtk2_ardour/editor.cc
index 60aa58dbb0..a45e243da5 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/editor.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/editor.cc
@@ -2653,6 +2653,16 @@ Editor::snap_to (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool for_mark)
 	snap_to_internal (start, direction, for_mark);
 }
 
+void
+Editor::snap_to_no_magnets (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool for_mark)
+{
+	if (!_session || _snap_mode == SnapOff) {
+		return;
+	}
+
+	snap_to_internal (start, direction, for_mark, true);
+}
+
 void
 Editor::timecode_snap_to_internal (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool /*for_mark*/)
 {
@@ -2720,7 +2730,7 @@ Editor::timecode_snap_to_internal (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool
 }
 
 void
-Editor::snap_to_internal (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool for_mark)
+Editor::snap_to_internal (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool for_mark, bool no_magnets)
 {
 	const framepos_t one_second = _session->frame_rate();
 	const framepos_t one_minute = _session->frame_rate() * 60;
@@ -2890,6 +2900,10 @@ Editor::snap_to_internal (framepos_t& start, RoundMode direction, bool for_mark)
 
 	case SnapMagnetic:
 
+		if (no_magnets) {
+			return;
+		}
+
 		if (presnap > start) {
 			if (presnap > (start + pixel_to_sample(snap_threshold))) {
 				start = presnap;
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/editor.h b/gtk2_ardour/editor.h
index 0e1661aca9..988d20efd2 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/editor.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/editor.h
@@ -440,6 +440,10 @@ class Editor : public PublicEditor, public PBD::ScopedConnectionList, public ARD
 	              ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
 	              bool              for_mark  = false);
 
+	void snap_to_no_magnets (framepos_t&       first,
+	              ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
+	              bool              for_mark  = false);
+
 	void snap_to_with_modifier (framepos_t&       first,
 	                            GdkEvent const *  ev,
 	                            ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
@@ -2140,7 +2144,8 @@ class Editor : public PublicEditor, public PBD::ScopedConnectionList, public ARD
 
 	void snap_to_internal (framepos_t&       first,
 	                       ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
-	                       bool              for_mark  = false);
+	                       bool              for_mark  = false,
+			       bool              no_magnets = false);
 
 	void timecode_snap_to_internal (framepos_t&       first,
 	                                ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.cc b/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.cc
index f7f4cd2873..966ab7002f 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.cc
@@ -366,7 +366,7 @@ Drag::setup_snap_delta (framepos_t pos)
 {
 	if (_editor->snap_delta () == SnapRelative) {
 		framepos_t temp = pos;
-		_editor->snap_to (temp);
+		_editor->snap_to_no_magnets (temp);
 		_snap_delta = temp - pos;
 	}
 }
@@ -2358,7 +2358,7 @@ NoteResizeDrag::start_grab (GdkEvent* event, Gdk::Cursor* /*ignored*/)
 
 	if (_editor->snap_delta () == SnapRelative) {
 		double temp;
-		temp = region->snap_to_pixel(cnote->x0 ());
+		temp = region->snap_to_pixel_no_magnets (cnote->x0 ());
 		_snap_delta = temp - cnote->x0 ();
 	}
 
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.h b/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.h
index 5fb183671f..a58d95dfa1 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/editor_drag.h
@@ -217,7 +217,7 @@ protected:
 		return _last_pointer_frame;
 	}
 
-	framecnt_t snap_delta () const {
+	ARDOUR::frameoffset_t snap_delta () const {
 		return _snap_delta;
 	}
 
@@ -259,7 +259,7 @@ private:
 	/* difference between some key position's snapped and unsnapped
 	 *  framepos. used for relative snap.
 	 */
-	framecnt_t _snap_delta;
+	ARDOUR::frameoffset_t _snap_delta;
 	CursorContext::Handle _cursor_ctx; ///< cursor change context
 };
 
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.cc b/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.cc
index 97a71003eb..3ecadc4775 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.cc
@@ -2633,6 +2633,16 @@ MidiRegionView::snap_pixel_to_sample(double x)
 	return snap_frame_to_frame (editor.pixel_to_sample (x));
 }
 
+/** @param x Pixel relative to the region position explicitly (no magnetic snap)
+ *  @return Snapped frame relative to the region position.
+ */
+framepos_t
+MidiRegionView::snap_pixel_to_sample_no_magnets (double x)
+{
+	PublicEditor& editor (trackview.editor());
+	return snap_frame_to_frame_no_magnets (editor.pixel_to_sample (x));
+}
+
 /** @param x Pixel relative to the region position.
  *  @return Snapped pixel relative to the region position.
  */
@@ -2642,6 +2652,15 @@ MidiRegionView::snap_to_pixel(double x)
 	return (double) trackview.editor().sample_to_pixel(snap_pixel_to_sample(x));
 }
 
+/** @param x Pixel relative to the region position.
+ *  @return Explicitly snapped pixel relative to the region position (no magnetic snap).
+ */
+double
+MidiRegionView::snap_to_pixel_no_magnets (double x)
+{
+	return (double) trackview.editor().sample_to_pixel(snap_pixel_to_sample_no_magnets(x));
+}
+
 double
 MidiRegionView::get_position_pixels()
 {
@@ -2691,7 +2710,7 @@ MidiRegionView::region_frames_to_region_beats(framepos_t frames) const
 }
 
 double
-MidiRegionView::region_frames_to_region_beats_double(framepos_t frames) const
+MidiRegionView::region_frames_to_region_beats_double (framepos_t frames) const
 {
 	return _region_relative_time_converter_double.from(frames);
 }
@@ -2794,9 +2813,9 @@ MidiRegionView::update_resizing (NoteBase* primary, bool at_front, double delta_
 			int sign = 1;
 			/* negative beat offsets aren't allowed */
 			if (delta_samps > 0) {
-				delta_beats = _region_relative_time_converter_double.from(delta_samps);
+				delta_beats = region_frames_to_region_beats_double (delta_samps);
 			} else if (delta_samps < 0) {
-				delta_beats = _region_relative_time_converter_double.from( - delta_samps);
+				delta_beats = region_frames_to_region_beats_double ( - delta_samps);
 				sign = -1;
 			}
 
@@ -2869,9 +2888,9 @@ MidiRegionView::commit_resizing (NoteBase* primary, bool at_front, double delta_
 		double delta_beats;
 		int sign = 1;
 		if (delta_samps > 0) {
-			delta_beats = _region_relative_time_converter_double.from(delta_samps);
+			delta_beats = region_frames_to_region_beats_double (delta_samps);
 		} else if (delta_samps < 0) {
-			delta_beats = _region_relative_time_converter_double.from( - delta_samps);
+			delta_beats = region_frames_to_region_beats_double ( - delta_samps);
 			sign = -1;
 		}
 
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.h b/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.h
index cfdb50a99c..7329c6facc 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/midi_region_view.h
@@ -254,12 +254,24 @@ public:
 	 */
 	double snap_to_pixel(double x);
 
+	/** Snap a region relative pixel coordinate to pixel units explicitly (no magnetic snap).
+	 * @param x a pixel coordinate relative to region start
+	 * @return the explicitly snapped pixel coordinate relative to region start
+	 */
+	double snap_to_pixel_no_magnets (double x);
+
 	/** Snap a region relative pixel coordinate to frame units.
 	 * @param x a pixel coordinate relative to region start
 	 * @return the snapped framepos_t coordinate relative to region start
 	 */
 	framepos_t snap_pixel_to_sample(double x);
 
+	/** Explicitly snap a region relative pixel coordinate to frame units (no magnetic snap).
+	 * @param x a pixel coordinate relative to region start
+	 * @return the explicitly snapped framepos_t coordinate relative to region start
+	 */
+	framepos_t snap_pixel_to_sample_no_magnets (double x);
+
 	/** Convert a timestamp in beats into frames (both relative to region position) */
 	framepos_t region_beats_to_region_frames(Evoral::Beats beats) const;
 	/** Convert a timestamp in beats into absolute frames */
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/public_editor.h b/gtk2_ardour/public_editor.h
index a8ecbb5f40..dc845e6f89 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/public_editor.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/public_editor.h
@@ -148,6 +148,10 @@ class PublicEditor : public Gtk::Window, public PBD::StatefulDestructible, publi
 	virtual void snap_to (framepos_t&       first,
 	                      ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
 	                      bool              for_mark  = false) = 0;
+	/** Snap a value according to the current snap setting. */
+	virtual void snap_to_no_magnets (framepos_t&       first,
+	                      ARDOUR::RoundMode direction = ARDOUR::RoundNearest,
+	                      bool              for_mark  = false) = 0;
 
 	/** Undo some transactions.
 	 * @param n Number of transactions to undo.
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/region_view.cc b/gtk2_ardour/region_view.cc
index be96cd4058..cd83154a9f 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/region_view.cc
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/region_view.cc
@@ -962,3 +962,29 @@ RegionView::snap_frame_to_frame (frameoffset_t x) const
 	/* back to region relative */
 	return frame - _region->position();
 }
+
+/** Snap a frame offset within our region using the current snap settings.
+ *  @param x Frame offset from this region's position.
+ *  @return Snapped frame offset from this region's position.
+ */
+frameoffset_t
+RegionView::snap_frame_to_frame_no_magnets (frameoffset_t x) const
+{
+	PublicEditor& editor = trackview.editor();
+
+	/* x is region relative, convert it to global absolute frames */
+	framepos_t const session_frame = x + _region->position();
+
+	/* try a snap in either direction */
+	framepos_t frame = session_frame;
+	editor.snap_to_no_magnets (frame, RoundNearest);
+
+	/* if we went off the beginning of the region, snap forwards */
+	if (frame < _region->position ()) {
+		frame = session_frame;
+		editor.snap_to_no_magnets (frame, RoundUpAlways);
+	}
+
+	/* back to region relative */
+	return frame - _region->position();
+}
diff --git a/gtk2_ardour/region_view.h b/gtk2_ardour/region_view.h
index 92006c556c..77abb5e2a9 100644
--- a/gtk2_ardour/region_view.h
+++ b/gtk2_ardour/region_view.h
@@ -122,6 +122,7 @@ class RegionView : public TimeAxisViewItem
 	};
 
 	ARDOUR::frameoffset_t snap_frame_to_frame (ARDOUR::frameoffset_t) const;
+	ARDOUR::frameoffset_t snap_frame_to_frame_no_magnets (ARDOUR::frameoffset_t) const;
 	
   protected: